12:12 when you saw that Nahash the king of the Ammonites came against you. Though it is not explicitly mentioned in ch. 8, it is possible that the Ammonite threat was already a concern at that time (11:1 note). Alternatively, Samuel may simply be citing the Ammonite episode as the most recent example of the people’s faithless tendency to seek help from men rather than God. Saul himself gave the Lord credit for the victory (11:13).